Holy Water

A reader writes:

I hope you will answer my question concerning the uses of Holy Water.  I to like have and use holy water at home.  So when I travel I like to pick up holy water from different churches.  Its a nice way to visit other churches, the priest, parisherners and to collect holy water.

Recently I was in my home town.  There is more than one chuch in this particular city.  I went to one particular church there and I was
very much disappointed in the way I was treated because I wanted holy water.  Never in all the years I have been catholic, and I am cradle born have I been so disppointed by the way I was treated by the church secretary and even the deacon himself because I wanted holy water.  I was told that they had found that people were using holy water for sacriliege purposes.  Upon hearing that I  didn’t know whether to cry or laugh.  I could understand  a secretary being ignorant to the use of Holy Water but I can’t understand the ignorance of a church deacon.    They even had the nerve to ask me if that was my intended purpose.

My question is, Can holy water be use sacrilegiously?  My mind, heart and soul says "No Way!"
Well eventually I did get my holy water but not after I had recieved the third degree.  I finally had to ask, Are you going to deny me taking holy water from this church? I had to ask three times.  Each time they said no but they were not too happy because I wanted holy water.  I don’t understand.  I was really confounded by their behavior.

You certain encountered a very unusual circumstance and it’s understandable that you’d feel confused and disappointed.

It is at least possible for a person to use holy water–or any sacramental–for a sacreligious purpose. For example, an evil cult might take some and (God forbid) use it mockingly in ceremonies worshipping the devil or something.

Hypothetically, the local parish may hae turned up such a group–or perhaps just a couple of rebellious teenagers–using it for a genuinely sacreligious purpose.

I also wonder if there might have been a communications problem here. It also is possible for people to use holy water superstitiously–as if God were definitely going to use it to accomplish certain miracles or as if it had magical powers or needed to be used in all kinds of circumstances where it doesn’t. It is much easier for me to imagine people using holy water supertitiously than sacreligiously.

If the parish staff–including the deacon–were not used to having folks show up and ask for holy water and someone showed up and asked for a significant quantity, they may have wondred–out of a misplaced and possibly puritanical sense of zeal–wondered whether it would be used superstitiously, even if not sacreligiously. The deacon might have then misspoke and said "sacreligious" when he meant "superstitious."

I don’t know that this is the explanation. It’s just conjecture. But it’s something that might lead to the kind of unfortunate experience you had.

Absolution Validity

A reader writes:

I went to confession today, and when the priest said the words of absolution
he left out the usual "from your sins."  So it was, instead, "I absolved you
in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit."  I take it this is
valid.  I’m just looking for confirmation on this. 

You are correct that this would be valid (unless the priest intended to absolve you of something other than your sins–e.g., ecclesiastical censures–though that’s not in view in this case).

Isn’t the required form
simply "I absolve thee" according to Trent?  Thanks for your help.

Trent references the words of absolution in passing but doens’t quote them completely. It says "I absolve thee, etc." In making these references, Trent is not attempting to specify the minimal form necessary for absolution. It is simply stressing that the absolution takes effect when the minister says the words that constitute its form. Part of the formula is provided simply to indicate when this occurs.

There is no single set of words that are necessary for validity in the case of this sacrament. Various formluas of absolution are used in different rites of the Church, though "I absolve you" is the one used in the Latin rite. It is valid as long as the priest intends to do what the Church does, even if he omits the object of absolution. His intent to do what the Church does–since the Church absolves sins in this sacrament–is sufficient.

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Catholic Bloggers On The Value Of Catholic Blogs

Ignatius Insight has another in its series of weekly articles on Catholic bloggers. This time they print responses to the question of what value there is in Catholic blogs.

Technically, the question they posed (though they don’t print it in the article) was "What can a Catholic blog do that others can’t?"

Your humble blogger has the lead answer this week.

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What I’ll be interested to see is if they print the opening of my answer to next week’s question ("What criticisms of blogs are most valid?"). It was distinctly off-the-wall.

This Week's Show (May 26, 2005)

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HIGHLIGHTS:

  • Should worship be done differently in a church than in a chapel? Is a crucifix needed at Mass at all times of year?
  • Could Protestantism’s doctrine of sola scriptura have been influence by a similar doctrine in another world religion?
  • What does Deuteronomy 28:36 mean?
  • If Hebrew doesn’t have a word for "cousin," why is Elizabeth described as Mary’s "cousin" in Luke 1.
  • What is papal infallibilty and has it ever been used? What is the basis for it?
  • What responsibility does a pastor have regarding a couple that is remarried outside the Church that is presenting itself for Communion in church?
  • Is one abandoning Jesus if one leaves an adoration chapel in order to attend Mass?
  • How to explain the biblical basis of confession to a Baptist.
  • Who wrote Hebrews?
  • Why do we say that Jesus rose "again"? What’s the history of the Nicene Creed?
  • How to defend, in a Protestant school, against the claim that God removed his graces from the Catholic Church because of its sins? How to defend against the language of "sola fide"?
  • Why do we translate the Greek word stauros as "cross"?
  • What is the Church’s teaching on hypnosis? Is it okay to go to a hypnotist?
  • What does Jesus mean when he says "Unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you have no life in you"? How does this apply to Protestants?
  • Are Protestants judged by a different standard than Catholics?

This Week’s Show (May 26, 2005)

LISTEN TO THE SHOW.

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HIGHLIGHTS:

  • Should worship be done differently in a church than in a chapel? Is a crucifix needed at Mass at all times of year?
  • Could Protestantism’s doctrine of sola scriptura have been influence by a similar doctrine in another world religion?
  • What does Deuteronomy 28:36 mean?
  • If Hebrew doesn’t have a word for "cousin," why is Elizabeth described as Mary’s "cousin" in Luke 1.
  • What is papal infallibilty and has it ever been used? What is the basis for it?
  • What responsibility does a pastor have regarding a couple that is remarried outside the Church that is presenting itself for Communion in church?
  • Is one abandoning Jesus if one leaves an adoration chapel in order to attend Mass?
  • How to explain the biblical basis of confession to a Baptist.
  • Who wrote Hebrews?
  • Why do we say that Jesus rose "again"? What’s the history of the Nicene Creed?
  • How to defend, in a Protestant school, against the claim that God removed his graces from the Catholic Church because of its sins? How to defend against the language of "sola fide"?
  • Why do we translate the Greek word stauros as "cross"?
  • What is the Church’s teaching on hypnosis? Is it okay to go to a hypnotist?
  • What does Jesus mean when he says "Unless you eat my flesh and drink my blood you have no life in you"? How does this apply to Protestants?
  • Are Protestants judged by a different standard than Catholics?

You Can Lead A Horse To Water . . .

The last two days I had a couple of posts responding to reader queries regarding non-infallible papal teachings and, in particular the fact that Ordinatio sacerdotalis is a non-infallible confirmation of what is, in fact, an infallible doctrine proclaimed by the ordinary and universal Magisterium of the Church.

The response has been so voluminous that I simply cannot continue these discussions at present, and so–congruent to Rule 2–I am closing these discussions for now. As I mention in Rule 2, though, I am sure the topic will come up again in the future.

We all come to places in our lives where we simply do not have the resources to continue a particular matter, and I am at one of those places presently. I spend a great deal of time, energy, and resources attempting to make this blog an interesting and informative place for those who visit it. Frankly, I spend more time on it than I should. But I simply do not have the resources at present to continue that discussion.

I have closed the comboxes on those two posts because I deem that it would be irresponsible of me to simply retire from the discussion and allow contary arguments to pile up without responding to them. Folks visiting those two posts in the future would see the contrary arguments without responses and conclude–wrongly–that there are no answers to the claims being made.

In fact, there are rejoinders, I simply do not have the resources at present to conduct the kind of thorogoing review of basic principles that would be needed.

Allow me to therefore make a concluding basic summary even though I know that I am not able at present to conduct the kind of detailed response that would be required to address individually all the points folks might wish.

  1. There is today a standard way for popes to make dogmatic defintions and thus engage their infallibility. This way involves the use of the verb "I define."
  2. This method has not always existed in Church history and there are other ways in which a papal definition can be done. This is why I expressly alluded to the pope using other language that would make it "manifestly evident" that *he* was defining something even though he didn’t use the verb "I define."
  3. The pope did not use such equivalent language. While he did use very strong language, he deliberately backed off rom the language that he himself–John Paul II–typically used in making both prior and subsequent definitions (i.e., his canonization of saints).
  4. It is simply not accurate to portray the verb "I declare" as a substitute for "I define." The fact that they both begin with the letters D and E do not make the verbs equivalent in meaning or in force. "I declare" is a much weaker verb that simply does not indicate the presence of a papal definition.
  5. I’m regret it if some individuals are disappointed, confused, or incredulous regarding this, but such papal utterances are very carefully worded, and their wording presupposes a basic (and, indeed, a technical) knowledge of the way in which ecclesiastical vocabulary is used. One cannot read one’s own preferences into these things. One has to honor the meanings and usages that have been adopted for these terms, and the fact is that "I declare" simply does not carry the same meaning or force as "I define." If one wishes to dispute this, one is simply in error.
  6. John Paul II did indeed use very strong language in this and simlar utterances (i.e., the ones found in Veritatis splendor and Evangelium vitae). In these instances he ran right up to the edge of a papal definition–and then stopped. He put all of the elements one would typically expect in a definition on the table–except for "I define."
  7. His purpose in doing this, apparently, was to affirm the truths in question in the most solemn manner possible short of making a definition.
  8. He presumably did this because each time a pope makes a dogmatic definition (a definition of a dogma, as opposed to the canonization of a saint), it results in a convulsion for the Church, and in the present fractious environment, he wanted to try to send the strongest signal he could to kill the relevant debates without putting the Church through the agony of six or seven dogmatic definitions in the span of a few years. You can imagine the danger that this could have posed of open schism and mass defections from the faith.
  9. In short, the by using the solemn language he did, the pope was trying to sail the bark of Peter between the Scylla of schism and the Charybdis of error. If he had used stronger language (i.e., if he had made new dogmatic definitions) he would have risked many members of the Church sliding into the former. If he had used weaker language, he would have risked further members of the Church sliding into the latter.
  10. He also may well have been sending the message: "If y’all don’t knock it off on these subjects, the next step will be a definition."
  11. The fact remains, though, that he did stop short of issuing definitions. If you take an utterance that sounds exactly like a definition except for the fact that you snip out "I define," you make it clear that you are running right up to the brink of a definition and then stopping just short of it.
  12. This is clear from the established usages of language in these matters.
  13. If you don’t want to take that from me, take it from the current pope, who repeatedly commented on ths fact–in one case in a Responsum approved by John Paul II himself.

Now, to clear up one additional item of confusion that seems to have troubled some:

  1. I believe that the teaching that priestly ordination is reserved to men is a doctrine that has been infallibly taught by the ordinary and universal Magisterium of the Church, just as JPII indicated.
  2. An infallible statement is one that cannot be wrong, it can only be right. A fallible statement is one that could be right or could be wrong.
  3. If I take a geometry test and get every question correct, that doesn’t stop my answers from being fallible in that I (not being gifted with infallibility in geometry) could have been wrong on them. I just wasn’t.
  4. JPII’s statement in OS, however, was not an ex cathedra statement.
    It thus was not a definition. It thus was not infallible. Since this
    statement was not protected by the charism of infallibility, it was
    therefore a fallible statement.
  5. Because it was a fallible statement, it could have been wrong, hypothetically speaking. It simply wasn’t.
  6. Popes have indeed said erroneous things when not engaging their gift of infallibility, as when Pope Zachary condemned the idea that there were people living at the antipodes "with their feet turned toward ours." (Heads up: We today in North and South America are people living at the antipodes, as are the folks in Australia and the Pacific islands–all lands that were inhabited in Zachary’s day.)
  7. The mere fact that, in this case, the pope was confirming a fact already infallibly proposed by the Magisterium does not make his confirmation of it a new exercise in infallibility.
  8. For example: If you went up to the pope and you say, "Is Jesus Christ God?" and he says "Sure," that is not a new exercise in infallibility. It doesn’t matter if he adds, " . . . that was defined by the First Council of Nicaea" or "that was defined by the ordinary and universal Magisterium of the Church" or even "I most solemnly assure and declare to you . . ."
  9. Unless he adds "I define" or other language making it "manifestly evident" that he himself is issuing a new definition then he isn’t doing so.

I hope that is of assistance.

Killing To Be Beautiful

It used to be said that a particularly attractive person had a face "to die for." Well, now we might say that such a person has a face "to kill for."

"Aborted foetuses [sic; i.e., fetuses] from girls and young women are being exported from Ukraine for use in illegal beauty treatments costing thousands of pounds, The Observer can reveal. The foetuses are cryogenically frozen and sold to clinics offering ‘youth injections,’ claiming to rejuvenate skin and cure a raft of diseases.

"It is thought that women in the former Soviet republic are being paid £100 a time to persuade them to have abortions and allow their foetuses to be used in treatments. Most of the foetuses are sold in Russia for up to £5,000 each. Some are paid extra to have abortions late in their pregnancy."

As usual, the true horror of the story is obscured by the term foetus. (And, of course, the term becomes even more obscure for non-British, English-speaking readers more accustomed to the spelling fetus.) It comes from the Latin for "offspring," but has become a euphemism to obscure the humanity of the unborn child. Go through the story mentally replacing child and children for foetus and foetuses to get a gauge of the international outrage the story might have inspired had the less-euphemistic terms been used.

That said, one unnamed Ukrainian journalist had a particularly incisive comment on the case:

"Ukrainians, accustomed to tales of illegal privatisations [sic] and government corruption, are not surprised. ‘They used to say we were selling Ukraine,’ said one reporter. ‘Now we are selling Ukrainians; moreover, in parts.’"

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(Nod to Some Have Hats for the link, and a special nod to SHH’s commenter Sr. Lorraine for this observation on the story: "It reminds me of what Jesus said in the Gospel, about people who look beautiful on the outside but inside are like dead men’s tombs.")

Get Great B16 Stuff!

A piece back I provided a link to Amazon.Com to get books by B16, using the keyword "Ratzinger." Unfortunately, I accidentally linked the apparel section of Amazon.Com instead of the books section.

A reader pointed out in the combox that (1) I had linked to the apparel section and (2) that there was no Ratzinger apparel. 🙁

WELL, NOW THERE IS!

Not at Amazon.Com, mind you, but at the Deo Gratias web store, run by a frequent blog visitor.

There you can get B16 T-shirts, sweats, mugs, mousepads, baseball caps, and, of course, the B16 bumper sticker y’all have seen here before:

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YEE-HAW! GETCHA SOME GREAT B16 STUFF!

Kumusta, Obispo!

(That’s Tagalog for "Howdy, Bishop!")

It turns out that several bishops in the Philippines (where they speak Tagalog) have started . . . (wait for it) . . . blogs!

Three bishops are linked on the Philippine national conference’s site as having blogs. The three are:

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(CHT to the reader who e-mailed!)