On The Other Hand . . .

Yesterday I linked a post from Anne Rice arguing that the Democratic Party best represents gospel values regarding feeding the hungry, giving drink to the thirsty, clothing the naked, etc.

By coincidence, Thomas Sowell just put up a column arguing that, in fact, politicians on the left (not quite the same thing as members of the Democratic Party, but close enough to make a meaningful contrast) actually are not promoting gospel values in such regards but only giving the appearance of doing so in furthering their own ideological (or, I would add, re-election) goals.

So here’s another perspective.

GET THE STORY.

In a related note, John Stossel takes aim at the idea promoted by Michael More in his movie "Sicko" that the U.S. provides poor health care in comparison to nations with more socialistic medical systems.

GET THAT STORY, TOO.

The Assumption of Mary

PISCO, Peru (CNN) — Five elderly nuns huddled early Friday outside the ruins of a church that had stood for centuries, their dark shawls tightly wrapped around their shoulders.
The nuns were standing at the edge of the ruins of the San Clemente church in downtown Pisco, waiting for word on two of their sisters who were buried in the rubble.
The parish priest, a robust Spaniard in his 60s, accompanied the nuns. The group quietly observed rescue workers dig through mounds of stones and upturned tiles.
The priest said the church was more than 300 years old. He still couldn’t understand how the entire roof collapsed on hundreds of worshippers who were attending a funeral Mass when Wednesday’s 8.0-magnitude quake struck.
I couldn’t understand how this man and these women of the cloth could remain so calm, their faith so apparently unshaken while they contemplated the ruins of the church and the loss of people so dear to them.
Link:
Faith unshaken after mourners killed in Peru church collapse

Assumption

Don’t forget it’s a holy day of obligation (in the United States; in other countries, your mileage may vary)!

Confessions of a BBC Liberal

HERE’S A PARTICULARLY INTERESTING STORY ABOUT THE BBC AND THE LIBERAL BIAS IT (LIKE THE MSM IN GENERAL) HAS.

EXCERPTS:

[T]he BBC’s own report on impartiality that effectively admitted to an institutional “liberal” bias among programme makers. Previously these accusations had been dismissed as a right-wing rant, but since the report was published even the BBC’s allies seem to accept it.

It is of particular interest to me because for nine years, between 1955 and 1964, I was part of this media liberal consensus.

[W]e were not just anti-Macmillan; we were antiindustry, anti-capitalism, antiadvertising, antiselling, antiprofit, antipatriotism, antimonarchy, antiempire, antipolice, antiarmed forces, antibomb, antiauthority. Almost anything that made the world a freer, safer and more prosperous place – you name it, we were anti it.

Although I was a card-carrying media liberal for the best part of nine years, there was nothing in my past to predispose me towards membership. I spent my early years in a country where every citizen had to carry identification papers. All the newspapers were censored, as were all letters abroad; general elections had been abolished: it was a one-party state. Yes, that was Britain – Britain from 1939 to 1945.

I was nine when the war started, and 15 when it ended, and accepted these restrictions unquestioningly. I was astounded when identity cards were abolished. And the social system was at least as authoritarian as the political system. It was shocking for an unmarried couple to sleep together and a disgrace to have a baby out of wedlock. A homosexual act incurred a jail sentence. Procuring an abortion was a criminal offence. Violent young criminals were birched, older ones were flogged and murderers were hanged.

So how did we get from there to here?

Very good question!

GET THE STORY.

James White Has Completely Lost It

And by "it," I mean two things: First, his mind, and second, the debate.

The reason I say that is that White has now posted pictures depicting those who have urged him to be more charitable with Frank Beckwith as radical Muslims protesting and urging beheading.

Here are the pictures.

To the first he gave the name "RCfatwa" (i.e., Roman Catholic fatwa):

Rcfatwa

To the second he gave the name "RCcharity" (i.e., "Roman Catholic charity"–depicting the attitude of the man in the picture as the kind of charity that Catholics display):

Rccharity

ORIGINAL SOURCE.

Toward the end of his post, White seeks to blunt criticism of these pictures (or appears to do so) by saying:

Now, I have obviously attempted to insert a bit of levity, and a bit of humorous sarcasm here, for the simple reason that I’m to the point where you either have to laugh or cry.

I’m sorry, but no. This kind of excuse will not do. Not in the slightest.

You do not compare your interlocutors to Islamists or portray those who urge charity on your part as if they were advocates of beheading those who disagree with them. Whether you feel they are right or wrong, annoying or not, or even reasonable or not, the actions of people engaged in this discussion with White are simply incommensurate with the kind of actions undertaken by radical Muslims.

What White has done here is not humor.

It is vile. It is reprehensible. It is despicable. It is outrageous. If White were thinking rationally, he would see this.

Hence, White has lost his mind when it comes to this. He is not functioning as a rational agent on this topic.

He also loses any debate on this point via special application of Godwin’s Law.

Godwin’s Law holds that the longer an online discussion goes, the greater the odds of someone making a comparison to Hitler. It is standard practice in many Internet circles–because of the inflammatory nature of this comparison and its tendency to start flame wars and shut down rational discussion–to regard anyone who makes such a comparison (unless you are talking about real-life Nazis or mass murderers) as having automatically lost the debate in question.

Islamists are the Nazis of the post-9/11 world, and thus anyone who depicts his debate opponents as Islamists automatically loses whatever debate was underway due to forfeiture.

He has crossed a fundamental line that shows himself to be incapable of holding a rational discussion. Excuses like "it was just a little levity" count for nothing. Those are the remarks of a troll. The individual has shown that he is not willing to make a good faith effort to abide by the terms of Internet discussions, and there is no point in discussing anything with him–either ever or at least until he seriously and sincerely acknowledges just how far over the line he was.

Discussion over.

James, you lose.

If you were Catholic, I’d tell you to go to confession.

What you did was vile, unacceptable, and childish. You have reduced yourself to the status of a troll.

If you can’t immediately see that and make amends then no one, knowing that you are capable of this, should engage you in debate or discussions of any kind.

UPDATE: The above pictures are so vile, particularly in light of 9/11 and the ensuing history and those who have been threatened or killed by radical Muslims, that this should be a matter upon which individuals of all confessional affiliations should be able to agree, including Evangelicals. I would like to invite Evangelicals, including those who have been close to White, to both publicly and privately distance themselves from the actions of Mr. White in posting these pictures as an act fundamentally incompatible with Christian charity. Evangelicals, in particular, can play a spiritual service to White by making this clear to him, since as the pictures themselves illustrate, he is deaf to appeals to charity from Catholics.

Amazing. Simply Amazing.

James White has been active in the combox over at Stand To Reason–despite his dislike of comboxes (I guess he uses them when it suits him)–in connection with Frank Beckwith’s recent appearance on that organization’s radio program.

HERE’S A LINK.

I was told he had reposted some of the material from there on his own blog, and I was thinking about responding to something he said, but then I ran into

THIS ITEM (CURRENTLY) AT THE TOP OF HIS BLOG.

It’s amazing. Simply amazing.

The topic concerns a statement Frank made on Stand To Reason that he had read documents from the Council of Trent back when he was in his twenties and then recently re-read them and was surprised by what he read. They did not say what he understood them to say based on his prior reading and what he had been told about them by others subsequently.

No big deal, right? People read something when they’re young and green and then read it again years later and realize it didn’t say what they thought it said or means something else. Happens all the time, right?

Not, apparently, to the mind of James White.

First, here’s the quotation from Frank, transcribed from the broadcast, that White picks on:

If you read the Council of Trent…which, by the way, really shocked
me. I expected to read this sort of horrible document, you know,
requiring people to stick pins in their eyes, you know, and flagellate
themselves, you know, and it turns out that there are things in there
that are quite amazing, that the initial grace is given to us by God,
in fact, there’s a condemnation in there for anyone who says that our
works, apart from grace…I mean, I thought to myself, I had not been
told…I had been misinformed!

On his blog White poses the following questions:

1) How can a person be shocked by re-reading something they read twenty
years ago. Is it your claim that you had completely forgotten
everything you had read then? Or is it your claim that you were so
completely prejudiced in your twenties that you could not even read the
document in a meaningful fashion?
2) How can someone speak of "expecting to read" something in a document
that they have already read? Are you claiming that your prejudices were
do deep that you had actually made up in your mind things like
"sticking pins in your eyes" and "flagellation"?
3) How can you find "amazing" things in a document you read twenty
years ago? Did you simply not read it well enough to understand it then?
4)  If you read this document, how is it relevant to claim that you had not been "told" the truth about it? 
5)  If you read the document, how could you be misinformed about its contents? 


Finally, would not a perfectly fair minded reading of these statements
lead any rational person to the conclusion that this was, in fact, your
first reading of the canons and decrees of the Council of Trent? [emphasis added]

HUH???

White is actually insinuating that Beckwith did not previously read the documents, despite his claim to have done so!

What possible reason would he have to lie about this? Or if the claim isn’t that he’s lying, why suppose that his memory has gone so wrong on this?

I think what "a perfectly fair minded reading" of Frank’s statements would lead "any rational person" to the conclusion that he read the documents–or some of them–back when he was young and inexperienced in matters of theology and then, with a couple of decades of additional learning under his belt, he went back and realized that they were saying something different than he thought. In the meantime, what he had read about them from other sources had colored his understanding of them, and so reading what they really have to say–and now having the background to understand them properly–was an enlightening experience for him.

That kind of thing happens all the time with human beings. It’s no big deal and nothing out of the ordinary.

If this, then, is what "any rational person" would be led to conclude by giving "a perfectly fair minded reading" to Frank’s statements, I can only conclude that James White is either not a rational person or that he is not giving a fair reading to them (or both).

The way I see it, there are three options (in order of ascending probability):

1) James White is such a supergenius that he always reads every document correctly the first time and remembers it perfectly for decades, without allowing his view of it to be colored by what others have told him about the document (though if he’s this kind of supergenius, why hasn’t he noticed that other people don’t work that way?)

2) James White is not a supergenius but assumes that he is, so that he thinks his first reading of any document is correct and he is so closed minded and incapable of admitting–even to himself–that he has been wrong that he never re-evaluates what a document says and thus has never had the experience of finding out that the document didn’t say what he thought.

3) James White is irrationally going after Frank’s claim out of a overweening desire to score points that prevents him from seeing what is blindingly obvious to "any rational person" and thus renders him incapable of giving "a perfectly fair minded reading" to the statements of someone whom he has chosen to controversially engage.

The Beckwith Chronicles

Francis Beckwith has begun doing interviews on his reversion to the Catholic Church following an extended stay in Evangelicalism, which included a stint as the president of the Evangelical Theological Society.

He has yet to do an interview in a major radio or TV Catholic venue (though those are planned), but recently he granted an interview to Greg Koukl of the Evangelical radio program Stand to Reason.

GET THE INTERVIEW (MP3 DOWNLOAD).

I think Frank did very well under difficult conditions. It was mere weeks after his return to the Church, and the environment was more hostile that expected. In fact, he called Greg on the carpet for presenting a more confrontational interview than he understood would be the case, but the two men are friends and this very much showed through, with both seeking to be charitable and balanced with the other.

I thought Greg definitely engaged in "steamroller" tactics at various points (that is, he threw multiple verses at Frank without letting him have a proper chance to respond), but overall the interview was in the service of truth as the participants saw it.

Be sure to check it out.

More later.

Go, Arkansas!

CNS reports:

Staten Island, Aug 2, 2007 / 11:06 am (CNA).- Abortion clinics nationwide should be required to post a sign stating that women cannot be forced into having an abortion, say the founders of the Silent No More Awareness Campaign, the nation’s largest network of women hurt by abortion.

Co-founders Georgette Forney and Janet Morana, believe the law should be based on a newly adopted measure in Arkansas, which requires abortion businesses to post a sign stating that women cannot be forced to have an abortion.

"I can’t tell you how many women I know who’ve been pressured into aborting by a boyfriend, husband, or parent," said Forney.

"This Arkansas statute is really just a gentle reminder to women that no one has the right to threaten or intimidate us into terminating our children,” she continued. “Everyone in every state should support this type of legislation. After all, how could someone who says he’s pro-choice oppose a law that tells a woman she has a choice?"

Janet Morana said the law is needed because abortion clinics have a financial interest in women having abortions and would not post such a sign on their own.

SOURCE.