"Remember The Alamo!"

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1. Hi Jimmy

   Off Topic

   I saw you on fox news a week or so ago, it was cool. I recomended your blog to someone considering the Catholic Church, so She may come here and ask you some questions. You can see how it came about on this post at my blog.

   http://dirtdobber.blogspot.com/2005/04/sound-off-free-forum.html

   I would hope you could help her out, and feel free to correct anything in the comments over at my place you feel are in error

   God Bless

   Gregg Tompkins

2. and the town named after Sam Houston was, don’t tell me, Samville?

3. I don’t want to make you mad at me, Jimmy, because I know you’re a proud Texan. Actually that’s probably a redundancy — aren’t all Texan’s proud of their home state. And understandably so, because Texans have a lot to be proud of.

   But . . . I’m just not too keen on the Texas War of Independence. I know the Mexicans were unjust and oppressive, but it just doesn’t seem to me that the white Protestant slave-owning settlers of Texas had sufficient cause to rebel against their Mexican rulers.

   I don’t want to get in a fight about it with you, though. I just wanted to register my dissent. No offense intended.

4. Quick, get those loose chairs off the stage!

5. “Jared Olar” is almost an anagram for “Geraldo,” isn’t it? 😉

   I can but help agree with Mr. Olar. I also have to take exception to the identification of the champion of Catholic Mexico with the champion of the Evil Empire.

6. If someone does evil things, they’re evil, whether they’re Catholic or not…

   Santa Anna was scum, as the above massacres clearly indicate. He was no champion of Catholicism and virtue. I tend to agree that the Texas Revolution had fairly good justification, but I haven’t studied the issue much.

7. Jimmy…

   Really…

   San Jacinto with an “H”?

   Unless you just want everyone to give you the get-over-yourself look.

   It’s okay with the “J”, folks, really. San Jose notwithstanding.

8. To those uncomfortable with taking the side of the Texians in the Texas War for Independence may I recommend what I think is still the best one-volume account of the history, A TIME TO STAND, by Walter Lord. (The book’s only flaw is the all-too-light treatment of Goliad). Lord gives a good explanation of the Texas cause, which no serious historian would describe as the cause of slaveholding. (Actually, no serious historian would say that of the Confederate cause in the War Between the States). Texians (Mexican and Anglo) fought Santa Ana who dramatically centralized the power of the Mexican Federal Government. (Indeed, if we are looking for analogies, Abraham Lincoln would suit better than Darth Vader). What is more, Texas was culturally Anglo, and the Anglos had been brought in by the Mexican govt to develop the land and (and this was no small reason) help control the savage indian population of Texas. If there is a lesson in the Alamo story for today it’s “be careful of your immigration policy.” The Mexicans were not and they lost Texas.

   Catholics looking for a cause to back in the subsequent Mexican War should know about the Irish San Patricios who defected from the American Army and fought on the side of Catholic Mexico. The defection is the largest in the history of the United States Army. There is an okay history of the events called ROGUES MARCH. It’s a little whiney and a little too flavored with the language of modern civil rights, but it gives a good account of what happened. To Mexicans, these Irish are martyrs. Itis not quite that simple, but they did defect in part after witnessing the desecration of Catholic Churches by the American Army and the ill use of the Mexican female population by the same. They also left a virulently anti-Catholic (Know Nothing) Army and the Mexicans gave them better pay.

   In any case, the Church has blessed, I would say the efforts of Crockett, Bowie, and Travis. Their “bones” are interred in the Cathedral in San Antonio.

   Chris Check

9. “Lord gives a good explanation of the Texas cause, which no serious historian would describe as the cause of slaveholding. (Actually, no serious historian would say that of the Confederate cause in the War Between the States).”

   I don’t think it was the cause of slaveholding, but that certainly did play a role. It cannot be denied that one of the rights the white Protestant settlers of Texas were fighting for was the right to enslave their fellow man. And I’m afraid I’ve actually read primary sources from the period of the Civil War — everyone knew that the Civil War was the result of America’s sin of slavery.

   Now, despite my hesitations about the Texas War of Independence, I think you’ve got to be blind not to see the real heroism of the Texan patriots, and the nobility of those who laid down their lives at the Alamo. I may not wholly agree with the cause or the object to which their directed their virtue, but the virtue itself is there for all to see.

10. I’d like to object to the notion of that notorious anti-clerical General Santa Anna being the champion of Catholic Mexico.

11. Boy howdy Jimmy! Dunno ‘zactly whut parta Texsus ya’ll hail from, but down Austin way the pro-nunce-a-nation is < san-(d)ja-CENT-uh >, ‘ceptin if yer sum kinda PeeCee Teasip.

    Remember well ‘Remember the Alamo’, remember well the annual mock-battle-re-creation of Houston’s victory at UT between the Cowboys (campus service organization) and the members of the fraternity (forget name, but they played the Mexicans ( MESS-cuns, in the dialect-vernacular) whose house was situated directly opposite the Tower, down the mall. Real guns, real cannon, fake ammo.

    Them wuz the days!

12. Dear Jared–

    (at the risk of derailing this thread)

    You wrote:

    “And I’m afraid I’ve actually read primary sources from the period of the Civil War — everyone knew that the Civil War was the result of America’s sin of slavery.”

    Well I’ll see your pirmary sources and raise you one–James McPherson’s collection of letters WHAT THEY FOUGHT FOR. Very few Union Soldiers thought they were fighting to free the slaves. Many repudiated the idea. (And McPherson is a liberal Lincoln enthusiast.) In any case, there may have been radical (protestant, btw) abolitionists who held the view (or pretended to) that the war was a divine scourge, but to assert that this belief was held by any kind of majority or even significant minority (much less by “everyone”) won’t bear up under much scrutiny. It was not, for example the view of his Holiness Pio Nono who corresponded with, sent a crown of thorns to, and diplomatically recognized the government of, Jefferson Davis.

    Best,

    Chris

13. Now lemme just say about the San Jacinto pronunciation, that while Jimmy’s stated pronunciation is roughly correct, Howard’s is more correct phonetically. *However*, the idea they convey is that the name is spoken with the Spanish soft “huh” or “djuh” j pronunciation, rather than the hard English “juh” j pronunciation. Anyone saying “San Ja-cin-to” instead of something more like “San Hah-seen-toe” marks himself out as a know-nothing Yankee, and I think that’s the main point. ;^)

    God bless our Texas!

14. On the pronunciation issue, the one I list is based on my perception of the pronunciation in my family.

    My family’s pronunciation of certain Spanish-derived words, though, is distinctly influenced by Spanish phonology. F’rinstance: The word “patio” (y’know–the place where you have barbecues) is pronounced /PAAH-tee-oh/ in the Spanish manner.

    This latter Spanish pronunciation was represented both by members of my father’s (Deep South Texas) and my mother’s (Deep East Texas) families. So there’s considerably Spanish-phonology bleed-through in certain terms.

    Per Anne’s point, yes, there is a middle sound between the soft /h/ and the hard /j/ (represented above by /dj/) and this would fit in San Jacinto. That sounds right to my ear, too. In fact, /dj/ may represent better the sound that’s used. My main intent was to warn folks off the hard /j/ pronunciation.

    I’d want to go back and listen closer to my family to distinguish between /h/ and /dj/; I suspect both may be in use.

    I think many Texans would agree, though, that Texas is big enough place to accomodate more than one pronunciation on this point.

    Indeed, Texas is so big that it contains a minimum of three major English accents (pronunciation schemes), depending on whether you are from the Southeast, North Central, or West parts of the state.

15. hi

16. Gonna through in the obvious here yes slavery may have been an issue but even in Texas there were more right than elsewhere. Largely you found a mans slave fighting alongside him despite being given his papers. This is for one simple reason, they too were the targets of the Mexican Army.

    It was a simple for for many death or not.

    So you can’t keep whining about slavery if these were the options put forward to every man fighting on behalf of Texas.

    Logic see . . .

17. A lot of the defenders of the Alamo were Catholic, including Jim Bowie.

18. No seas Pendejo…. Santa Anna es tu padre cabrón….

    aunque no te guste, Texas volverá a ser parte de México y sabes que?, les vamos a volver a patear el “CULO” en el Álamo o en cualquier otro lugar!!! pinche Gringo hijo de PUTA

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