Dinos in heaven, Jesus’ DNA, lying angels, rebooted universe, marrying aliens? & More Weird Questions – Jimmy Akin’s Mysterious World

It’s New Year’s Eve, so Cy Kellett of Catholic Answers Live is asking Jimmy Akin weird questions from listeners, including are there dinosaurs in heaven, can angels lie, are we in a rebooted universe, whether aliens and humans could marry, and much more.

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Questions Covered:

  • 01:29 – From a five-year-old: Will there be dinosaurs in heaven?
  • 02:47 – In Tobit the angel Raphael says that he is their kinsman. In Tobit 5:13 he claims to be the son of a man named Hananiah. Is he lying? It never says that he eats, wouldn’t Tobiah notice that or is just assumed that he does?
  • 06:09 – Could we be living in a rebooted universe? What if in Revelation, John saw a previous universe in which Jesus was born for the first time by Mary as in Revelation 12 and then once he was swept up to God, that rebooted our universe so that in the universe we live in Jesus has existed since the beginning. All the while, the previous universe existed as an alternative timeline which John saw destroyed and wrote it down in Revelation?
  • 10:42 – Why is it in the Gospel of Matthew, Jesus is clothed with a robe of scarlet then In Mark and John it is purple?
  • 18:26 – On a previous show, you spoke before on the question of whether marriage would be possible between humans and aliens. The answer hinged on whether procreation would be possible. What if procreation were possible but the resulting offspring were sterile (like mules)? Would that affect the possibility of marriage?
  • 21:08 – Is raising your arm telekinesis? Is telekinesis limited to moving our own body? How do pure spirits move objects?
  • 27:32 – If we happen to colonize Mars in the future would we have to update the Missal to replace “Earth” with “Mars”?
  • 30:40 – There are loving Catholics that state the CCC supports a vegan diet. Their reasoning? The CCC forbids us causing animals needless suffering, they say we don’t need to eat them to live, therefore killing them for food is causing them needless suffering. Your thoughts?
  • 37:42 – What are the differences in blessings? I bless myself and my children. How effective is that vs. a blessing done by a priest?
  • 41:23 – What happened to Christ’s foreskin from His circumcision, clipped fingernails, hair He shed, or anything else he left behind containing His DNA? We know that His humanity is sacred, but on a practical level, how far do we take that in our understanding of it?

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The Weekly Francis – 29 December 2021

This version of The Weekly Francis covers material released in the last week from 19 December 2021 to 29 December 2021.

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Homilies

Letters

Messages

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Papal Tweets

  • “This is the lesson of #Christmas: humility is the great condition for faith, for the spiritual life and for holiness. May the Lord grant it to us as a gift.” @Pontifex, 23 December 2021
  • “Let us allow ourselves to be evangelized by the humility of #Christmas, of the manger, of the poverty and simplicity with which the Son of God entered the world. Let us allow ourselves to be evangelized by the humility of the Child Jesus.” @Pontifex, 23 December 2021
  • “Dear sister or brother, if as in Bethlehem, the darkness of night overwhelms you, if the hurt you carry inside cries out ”You are worthless“, tonight God responds and tells you: “I love you just as you are. I became little for you. Trust me and open your heart to me”. #Christmas” @Pontifex, 24 December 2021
  • “For it to be truly #Christmas, let us not forget this: God comes to be with us and asks us to take care of our brothers and sisters, especially the poorest, the weakest, the most fragile, whom the pandemic risks marginalising even more.” @Pontifex, 24 December 2021
  • “Tonight a light has been lit, a kindly light, reminding us that in our littleness, we are beloved sons and daughters, children of the light. Let us rejoice together, for no one will ever put out this light, the light of Jesus, who tonight shines brightly in our world. #Christmas” @Pontifex, 24 December 2021
  • “The Word became flesh in order to dialogue with us. God does not desire to carry on a monologue, but a dialogue. By the coming of Jesus, the Person of the Word made flesh, into our world, God showed us the way of encounter and dialogue. https://vatican.va/content/francesco/en/messages/urbi/documents/papa-francesco_20211225_urbi-et-orbi-natale.html…@Pontifex, 25 December 2021
  • “This is what we should ask Jesus for at #Christmas: the grace of littleness. “Lord, teach us to love littleness. Help us to understand that littleness is the way to authentic greatness”.” @Pontifex, 25 December 2021
  • “Jesus is born close to the forgotten ones on the peripheries. He comes to ennoble the excluded and He is first revealed to them: not to educated and important people, but to the shepherds, to poor working people. #Christmas” @Pontifex, 25 December 2021
  • “As the message of the birth of the Saviour, the source of true peace, resounds in the whole world, we continue to witness a great number of conflicts, crises and disagreements. Let us implore God to stir up in the hearts of everyone a yearning for reconciliation and fraternity.” @Pontifex, 25 December 2021
  • “Christ “dwells” in your marriage and he is always waiting for you to open your hearts to him, so that he can sustain you, by the power of his love. Our human love is weak; it needs the strength of Jesus’ faithful love. #LetterToMarriedCouples” @Pontifex, 26 December 2021
  • “Dear married couples throughout the world! In this “Amoris Laetitia Family” Year, I am writing to express my deep affection and closeness to you at this very special time. #LetterToMarriedCouples Letter@Pontifex, 26 December 2021
  • “Please, each day, let us pray a little bit together to ask God for the gift of peace. And let us all commit ourselves – parents children, Church, society – to sustain, defend and safeguard the family! #HolyFamily” @Pontifex, 26 December 2021
  • “Let us embrace Jesus in the little ones of today, love Him in the least of our brothers and sisters, serve Him in the poor. They are most like Jesus who was born poor. It is in them that He wants to be honoured. #ChristmasSeason” @Pontifex, 27 December 2021
  • “The new Herods of our time devour the innocence of our children under the oppression of illegal slave labour, prostitution, exploitation, wars and forced emigration. Let us #PrayTogether today for these children and defend them. #HolyInnocents” @Pontifex, 28 December 2021
  • “Saint Joseph, you who have experienced the suffering of those who must flee to save the lives of their loved ones, protect all those who flee because of war, hatred, hunger. Guide their steps and open the hearts of those who can help them. Let us #PrayTogether #GeneralAudience” @Pontifex, 29 December 2021

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Mawdryn Undead – The Secrets of Doctor Who

The Brigadier is back again. Jimmy Akin, Dom Bettinelli, and Fr. Cory Sticha discuss the return of Lethbridge-Stewart with the 5th Doctor; the addition of Turlow to the Tardis Companions; attempts to steal the Doctor’s regenerations; and this first part of the Black Guardian trilogy of stories.

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Christmas 2021 Mysterious Livestream Special – Jimmy Akin’s Mysterious World

On Christmas 2021, Jimmy Akin welcomed everyone to his YouTube channel for a special Livestream gathering, especially for those who might be alone on the holiday. Jimmy answered questions on a variety of topics for over two hours and due to popular request, we’ve made the audio available here.

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Can the Soul Be Weighed?

NOTE: I submitted the following as a term paper for the course “Skeptical Approach to Parapsychology” at the Rhine Education Center.

The assignment was to take a noteworthy parapsychological study and evaluate it by apply critical thinking–being neither unduly credulous nor unduly dismissive of its claims.

(Also, since the assignment was to approach the task from a scientific, parapsychological perspective rather than a religious one, I don’t simply provide a theological analysis of what the soul is, and I consider options a non-religious researcher would need to.)

The paper received an “A.”

 

Can the Soul Be Weighed?

by Jimmy Akin

A minor pop culture trope holds the human soul weighs about as much as a piece of bread, or 21 grams. This trope appears various places, including the title of the 2003 Sean Penn movie 21 Grams.

The trope’s basis is a set of experiments begun in 1901 by Duncan MacDougall, M.D. His results were published in 1907 in American Medicine and the Journal of the American Society for Psychical Research (vol. 1, no. 5).

MacDougall weighed humans and dogs at the moment of death and—in the case of humans—found a measurable loss of weight coincident with death. After accounting for known, natural substances the subjects’ bodies could have released, MacDougall conjectured the loss of weight may have been due to the departing human soul.

 

Rationale for Experiment

MacDougall explains the basis for his experiment by stating that, if the personality survives death, it must exist as a “space occupying body.” He writes:

It is unthinkable that personality and consciousness continuing personal identity should exist, and have being, and yet not occupy space. It is impossible to represent in thought that which is not space occupying, as having personality, for that would be equivalent to thinking that nothing had become or was something, that emptiness had personality, that space itself was more than space, all of which are contradictions and absurd.

He reasons that whatever substance this personality-bearing, “space occupying body” (hereafter “soul,” for convenience) may have a measurable weight. He writes:

According to the latest conception of science, substance or space occupying material is divisible into that which is gravitative—solids, liquids, gasses, all having weight—and the ether which is non-gravitative.

MacDougall considers whether the soul might be made of normal “gravitative” matter, although he also considers two alternatives.

The first is that the soul might be made of luminiferous ether—a substance formerly believed to fill the universe and be responsible for propagating light waves through space. MacDougall thinks this option impossible, since ether was believed to be continuous throughout the universe, whereas individuals’ personalities are separate and distinct.

The second alternative is that the soul may be made of “a middle form of substance neither gravitative matter nor ether, not capable of being weighed, and yet not identical with ether.” Such a “middle form” might be non-continuous, allowing separate personalities/souls, but still not being weighable. However, MacDougall thinks it more reasonable to suppose that the soul “must be some form of gravitative matter” since it is linked organically with the body until death.

He thus proposes weighing dying individuals.

 

Examining the Rationale

MacDougall’s rationale is clever and worth examining in light of the history of philosophy and subsequent scientific developments.

Although he says it is “unthinkable” that the soul is not a space-filling body, many prior thinkers disagreed. In the Middle Ages, it was a commonplace for philosophers to regard spirits—including God, angels, and human souls—as entities that lacked extension in space. These spirits could be said to be “in a place” in an accommodated sense. When a spirit manifested its influence on something in the material world, the spirit could be said to be “in” that location (cf. Summa Theologiae I:52:1).

In the Early Modern period, there was renewed discussion of this subject, with Renee Descartes taking the position that the soul is non-extended and Henry More arguing that spirits must be extended. (An issue that arose as a result of this discussion was how a non-extended, immaterial entity could control a body since the two could not have physical contact. Parapsychologically, this would be “explained” in terms of psychokinesis [PK], though the basis or bases of PK remain very unclear.)

Since many thinkers consider the idea of a non-extended soul conceivable, we will include this possibility when considering MacDougall’s results.

From a scientific perspective, MacDougall’s discussion of ether has been superseded. Evidence against the existence of ether had been discovered in the famous, 1887 Michelson-Morley experiment, and the idea ceased to be commonly used in physics during the twentieth century.

However, something like MacDougall’s “middle form” of matter/energy emerged in twentieth century science—that is, things other than ether that lack mass. Current science holds that there are massless particles, such as the photon and gluon. However, these are force-carrying particles and are not thought to form structures that would be capable of sustaining a personality independent of massive particles.

A possibility MacDougall didn’t consider was that the soul might be made of a gravitative substance different than the solid, liquid, or gaseous states known in his day. While subsequent science has proposed additional states of matter, such as Bose-Einstein condensates, none of these are good candidates for the soul. (E.g., Bose-Einstein condensates can exist only close to absolute zero, and it would seem impossible for such a substance to coexist with a warm, living human body.)

In light of parapsychological research suggesting that ghosts are not electromagnetic phenomena, an interesting thought that could not have occurred to MacDougall would be the idea that souls might be made of “dark matter”—a hypothetical form of matter that does not interact with the electromagnetic force but that does interact gravitationally. The loss of such a soul could be weighable, and yet the soul would not show up on EMF detectors. (It should be immediately pointed out that current dark matter theories do not predict the existence of soul-like objects, but neither do they completely rule them out. A dark matter soul would need to interact with its body through a form of PK rather than EM.)

 

MacDougall’s Experiments

The design MacDougall used for his experiments was carefully thought out.

For human subjects, he arranged a large platform scale on which a bed could be set, along with a dying patient, and then balanced it. The scale was sensitive to two tenths of an ounce (5.7 grams).

With patient consent, MacDougall chose subjects dying of conditions expected to result in a peaceful passing so as not to jar the scale with death throes. (All died of tuberculosis—“consumption”—except for one in a diabetic coma.)

He tracked the subjects’ weight in the hours preceding death to account for the natural loss of moisture that occurs through perspiration and respiration when the body is not being hydrated.

He then recorded any sudden change the scale registered at the time of death—to the extent this could be determined in his day. (Since electrocardiogram [ECG] monitoring was still being pioneered, this involved observing signs such as cessation of eye and muscle movement, breathing, and heartbeat—as determined by stethoscope.)

After death, MacDougall checked if the subject’s bowels had moved and whether—and how much—urine had been discharged.

For his canine subjects, MacDougall was unable to find dogs dying in peaceful ways. He thus used healthy dogs, sedated them to keep them still, and euthanized them—while monitoring their weight on scales that were sensitive to 1/16th of an ounce (1.8 grams).

 

MacDougall’s Results

Six trials were done with human subjects, with the following results (all numbers converted to metric):


Subject
Measurement at Death Second, Later Measurement
1 -21 g
2 -14 g -46 g
3 -14 g -43 g
4* -11 to -14 g
5 -11 g
6* -43 g

The measurements at death represent sudden drops that occurred within the space of “a few seconds.”

In two cases, a second measurement was taken shortly after death:

    • Subject 2’s initial measurement was a sudden loss coincident with the last movement of the facial muscles, and the second reading was taken after cessation of heartbeat was verified.
    • Subject 3’s additional reading was taken “a few minutes” after death.

MacDougall eliminated the results of Subjects 4 and 6 (marked by asterisks) from consideration:

    • With Subject 4, MacDougall reports that “unfortunately our scales were not finely adjusted and there was a good deal of interference by people opposed to our work”—apparently hospital employees who regarded the experiment as too morbid. However, “at death the beam sunk so that it required from three-eighths to one-half ounce to bring it back to the point preceding death.”
    • With Subject 6, although MacDougall recorded the measurement at death, he rejected it since “the patient died almost within five minutes after being placed upon the bed and died while I was adjusting the beam.”

Fifteen trials were conducted with canine subjects. MacDougall reports:

The same experiments were carried out on fifteen dogs, surrounded by every precaution to obtain accuracy and the results were uniformly negative, no loss of weight at death.

 

Eliminating Naturalistic Explanations

MacDougall sought to account for conventional material substances released by the body—moisture in the form of respiration and perspiration, as well as evaporation from urine and feces.

He tracked a slow, steady loss of weight before death due to moisture loss through respiration and perspiration, so this could not be responsible for the sudden drops coincident with the moment of death.

His subjects did not suddenly expel 11-21 grams of moisture with their last breaths. Neither did they suddenly release this amount of perspiration, which would have remained in contact with their bodies and the bedclothes and only evaporate slowly, meaning it still would have been weighed by the scale.

MacDougall did not report the subjects experiencing bowel movements upon death, though if they had, the feces “would still have remained upon the bed except for a slow loss by the evaporation of moisture depending of course, upon the fluidity of the feces.”

He reported some subjects releasing urine upon death (due to the relaxation of the urinary sphincter), however, “the urine remained upon the bed and could not have evaporated enough through the thick bed clothing to have influenced the result.”

Having eliminated semi-solid and liquid substances released by the body, MacDougall sought to account for gas that could be suddenly released at death—i.e., air in the lungs.

Physics indicates this should not matter. At ground level, the Earth’s atmosphere is pressing downward on objects, including the scale, and it does not matter whether the air is in the subject’s lungs or above the chest. The scale should not be materially affected, which is what MacDougall found:

Getting upon the bed myself, my colleague put the beam at actual balance. Inspiration and expiration of air as forcibly as possible by me had no effect upon the beam. My colleague got upon the bed, and I placed the beam at balance. Forcible inspiration and expiration of air on his part had no effect.

 

Alternative Naturalistic Explanations

Alternative explanations for MacDougall’s results have been proposed. A selection is considered and critiqued by Masayoshi Ishida in the Journal of Scientific Exploration (vol. 24, no. 1), though what follows here are principally my own thoughts.

Since the human body begins to cool at death, could the loss of heat be responsible for the observed loss in weight—either directly or due to a change in air currents (as proposed by Len Fisher)?

Neither would be plausible. Heat is produced by the small-scale motion of atoms, and the fact these vibrate less after death does not change their weight. Only a large-scale removal of atoms from the bed would produce the observed readings.

Similarly, while convection currents caused by the heat of a living body might lightly press down on the bed—if such currents existed in these cases—they would not dissipate at the moment of death. The coldness of death—known as algor mortis—takes hours to occur and is frequently used to determine time of death in criminal investigations. There would be no sudden loss of weight.

What about heartbeat or breathing? These produce vibrations that could affect a scale, and they cease suddenly at death. However, they would cause a living, prone patient to slightly oscillate up and down on the bed, and if the scale were visibly at balance when the patient was alive then it should remain even more steadily (and likely sub-perceptually) at balance upon death. There would not be a sudden drop of 11-21 grams.

It could be proposed that there was something wrong with MacDougall’s scales, that the measurements he took were botched, or that he committed fraud. However, there does not appear to be evidence supporting these hypotheses.

 

Paranormal Speculations

Lacking a good naturalistic explanation for MacDougall’s results, it is reasonable to consider paranormal explanations. These can only be speculative due to the limited data his experiment returned. Replication and new types of experiments would be needed to test individual hypotheses.

The first possibility is MacDougall’s own conjecture—that the loss of weight may be due to the departure of the soul, conceived of as a space-filling entity capable of being weighed.

If so, the soul might be a very fine structure made of conventional matter/energy recognized by the Standard Model of particle physics. Alternately, it might be made of an undiscovered form of matter that interacts gravitationally.

Questions that might be asked are what would account for the variance in numbers MacDougall saw upon death, what was responsible for the additional weight loss in the second readings, and why there was no weight loss observed with dogs.

All the readings were within a factor of ~4 (11-46g), and the readings at the moment of death were within a factor of 2 (11-21g). Given the small sample size (4-6, depending on which are counted) and the sensitivity threshold of the scale (5.7 grams), these differences might simply be due to normal variation in taking measurements.

However, it also is possible that—just as some humans have heavier bodies—some humans have heavier souls.

If further experiments showed that the second, greater readings taken in two cases represent a real, second post-mortem weight loss, it might be proposed that there is more than one paranormal “thing” that detaches at death.

This idea may correspond to certain religious conceptions. In ancient Egypt, the human was thought to consist not only of the physical body but also several soul-like entities referred to as the ba, the ka, the shut, etc. Similarly, some Christians have understood humans as being tripartite, consisting of body, soul, and spirit. Even body/spirit dualists like John Duns Scotus have held that humans have multiple intangible “substantial forms” when alive.

Such claims, in light of MacDougall’s second readings, should alert us to the possibility that the death process may involve more than the departure of a single soul-like entity.

When it comes to dogs, MacDougall’s results would be equally consistent with the hypotheses that dogs do not have souls that survive death or that their souls produce results below the sensitivity threshold of the scale used (1.8g).

Attention should be paid to how MacDougall’s results might be explained if the soul is not spatially extended, as various philosophers have proposed. Why would the departure of such an entity result in an observed loss of weight?

It seems difficult to imagine a non-extended entity having intrinsic mass, but the soul could still interact with weighable matter. This would seem to be a form of PK, and two possibilities for the loss of weight spring to mind.

First, the soul would seem to have a tight psychokinetic association with the body during life, as illustrated by the ease of producing voluntary motions (e.g., lifting an arm) and the difficulty in psychokinetically moving objects outside the body. This tight association might not instantaneously vanish upon death. The soul might retain a PK “grip” on particles or atoms within the body, and as the soul detaches during the death process, enough of these might be pulled along with it to explain the loss of weight.

Second, there may be an explanation in line with the super-psi hypothesis that psychic functioning is part of people’s activity in their everyday environments. People use their bodies to steady themselves as they navigate their surroundings, resulting in them shifting their weight as they move body parts. They might use PK to assist this process. They might even continuously, psychokinetically cause their bodies to slightly sink down as part of steadying themselves in their environment, and if this PK ceased upon the departure of the soul, it could result in the observed loss of a number of grams.

In both this and the previous case, MacDougall’s variant readings might be explained by differences in the strength of the subjects’ PK. Depending on how the death process works from the soul’s perspective, it might also explain the larger, apparently postmortem readings he obtained in two cases—as the soul detached or the PK ceased functioning in stages.

 

Conclusion

MacDougall’s 1907 paper remains intriguing, and a good naturalistic explanation for his results has not been found.

Unfortunately, the small sample size he was able to achieve greatly limits the paper’s evidential value. MacDougall wanted to perform many more experiments with human subjects, but opposition to the project made this impossible.

Thus far, it appears no one has attempted to replicate his experiment with dying humans. However, there have been attempts to do so with animals. In 1907 the Los Angeles Herald reported on an animal replication effort by H. La Verne Twining, which produced mixed results.

Unfortunately, until human replications are attempted with substantially larger sample sizes—as well as modern measurement and control methods—MacDougall’s paper remains only a fascinating, suggestive study.

Faces (VOY) – The Secrets of Star Trek

Evil twins and body horror. Jimmy Akin, Dom Bettinelli, and Fr. Cory Sticha talk about this Voyager story in which B’Elanna gets split in human and Klingon individuals; an alien steals a crewman’s face; and they wonder why Starfleet has such dumb flashlights.

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Christmas on other planets, when Christmas ends, from St. Nick to Santa, 12 days of Christmas code? . . . & Weird Questions – Jimmy Akin’s Mysterious World

It’s Christmas, so Cy Kellett of Catholic Answers Live is asking Jimmy Akin Christmas weird questions from listeners, including how we would celebrate Christmas on other planets; when Christmas ends; how we got from St. Nick to Santa; and whether the 12 days of Christmas is a secret code; and more.

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The Weekly Francis – 22 December 2021

This version of The Weekly Francis covers material released in the last week from 8 December 2021 to 22 December 2021.

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  • “Each of life’s stages is a time to believe, hope and love.” @Pontifex, 17 December 2021
  • “Let us look into the eyes of the discarded people we meet, let us be provoked by the faces of children, the children of desperate migrants. Let us allow ourselves to be moved by their suffering in order to react to our indifference. #MigrantsDay” @Pontifex, 18 December 2021
  • “The first act of charity we can do for our neighbour is to offer a serene and smiling face. It is to bring them the joy of Jesus, as Mary did with Elizabeth. #GospelOfTheDay” @Pontifex, 19 December 2021
  • “I express my closeness to the population of the Philippines, struck by a strong typhoon that has caused many deaths and destroyed so many homes. May the “Santo Niño” bring consolation and hope to the families of those most affected. #PrayTogether” @Pontifex, 19 December 2021
  • “The #Christmas tree is a symbol of rebirth, God’s gift by which He is united forever to humanity. He gives us His life. The lights on the fir tree recall the light of Jesus, the light of love that continues to shine in the world’s nights.” @Pontifex, 20 December 2021
  • “The Season of #Advent is meant for us to stop and ask ourselves how to prepare for #Christmas. We are so busy with all the preparations, with gifts and things that pass. But let us ask ourselves what we should do for Jesus and for others!” @Pontifex, 21 December 2021
  • “Let’s choose a concrete commitment, however small, that’s adapted to our situation in life, and let’s continue to do it to prepare ourselves for #Christmas: call a person who is alone, visit that elderly or ill person, do something to serve a poor person, someone in need. #Advent” @Pontifex, 21 December 2021
  • “Jesus is the name and the face of the love of God who came to dwell among us. I hope that each of you might have the desire of seeking Him and the joy of finding Him this #Christmas.” @Pontifex, 22 December 2021
  • “There are many local Churches, religious congregations and Catholic organizations who are ready to welcome and accompany migrants toward a fruitful integration. All that is needed is an open door!” @Pontifex, 22 December 2021

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Hide – The Secrets of Doctor Who

The Doctor goes ghost hunting. Jimmy Akin, Dom Bettinelli, and Fr. Cory Sticha talk about the 11th Doctor’s search for answers to the mystery of Clara; how it is based on a 1959 movie; and Jimmy’s assessment of the paranormal research depicted in the episode.

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Hippocratic Oath (DS9) – The Secrets of Star Trek

Bashir and O’Brien run into the Jem’Hadar. Jimmy Akin, Dom Bettinelli, and Fr. Cory Sticha discuss how Bashir’s oath as a doctor to help those in need comes in conflict with his oath as a Starfleet officer not to help the enemy, as well as the strain in friendship this causes.

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