This is just to show that the Cindy Sheehan left does not have a monopoly on vile war-related protests. Some folks on the other end of the political spectrum are doing something even more vile:
Members of a church say God is punishing American soldiers for defending a country that harbors gays, and they brought their anti-gay message to the funerals Saturday of two Tennessee soldiers killed in Iraq.
The Rev. Fred Phelps, founder of Westboro Baptist in Kansas, contends that American soldiers are being killed in Iraq as vengeance from God for protecting a country that harbors gays. The church, which is not affiliated with a larger denomination, is made up mostly of Phelps’ children, grandchildren and in-laws.
The church members carried signs and shouted things such as "God hates fags" and "God hates you."
Talk about a group of people that need our prayers. God hates? Give me a break. What a terrible message to propagate.
Fred Phelps is idiot (and yes I’m being judgemental) who said that since Mr Rogers was also a Presbyteran minister that he was in Hell because he never used his show to condemn homosexuality.
Like sexuality of any type has a place on children’s television progams.
–arthur
Fred Phelps and his group (who have been around for quite some time) are – at my charitable best – only marginally Christian. http://www.livejournal.com/users…fice/ 43067.html has a good article on this cult. I’m surprised someone hasn’t come after him about the use of “Baptist” in the church name. Of course, to the press, they represent mainstream Christianity…
Fred Phelps is Presbyterian? I thought he was the head of his own cult or something.
JonathanR:
No. Fred Rogers (Mr. Rogers Neighborhood) was Presbyterian. Fred Phelps is a seriously misguided bigot who should not be associated with “Presbyterian” or “Baptist” or any other Mainstream Christian denomination.
Also remember, that not all protesters from the left are vile.
Wow, I can’t believe you just compared Cindy Sheehan to Fred Phelps.
Without a doubt the overall message of Mr. Phelps is quite vile. In fact to the best of my recollection he runs a website called godhatesfags.com which I have had to denounce to friends whom came across it from time to time.
That being said, is it possible that he is objectively correct, at least in part, concerning punishment of America? In other words, could it be that all of the recent attacks against our nation, even things as obscure as having to pay half one’s life saving for gasoline, are some sort of temporal punishment for America’s total moral decline? Of course one could cite the acceptance of homosexuality as a cause for this, however there are countless other sins which our nation is guilty of as well. Remember that God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for the sake of their corruptness. I’ve always thought that this is an interesting question.
Then there are those who speculate AIDS may be a punishment from God for homosexuals, though I would say that this statement is more problematic, especially when considered in light of the Bubonic plague. I can’t imagine that the world of the middile ages was so corrupt so as to warrant a disease such as that. Given such, it is difficult to imagine that the proportionatly smaller AIDS epidemic could be the result of such a thing.
In any case these are interesting questions to consider, but not to use to incite hate!
DCS:
What’s wrong with “comparing” Cindy Sheehan to Fred Phelps in order to show that what he is doing is “even more vile”? Is there something inherently evil in “comparisons”? (Technically, I believe Jimmy “Contrasted” Cindy with Fred Phelps.
I could compare (and contrast) Hitler with Mother Theresa, but that’s not the same thing as “equating them”.
What’s wrong with “comparing” Cindy Sheehan to Fred Phelps in order to show that what he is doing is “even more vile”?
When one says what Fred Phelps is doing is “even more vile” than what Mrs. Sheehan is doing, the implication is that it would be hard to be more vile than Mrs. Sheehan.
No one would take me seriously if I said that Hitler’s actions were “even more vile” than Mother Teresa’s.
That is because Mother Teresa’s actions were not vile at all.
I also think it is incorrect to say that the statement necessarily implies that it would be hard to do something more vile than Mrs. Sheehan. I believe that all it indicates is that her actions have some level of vileness, necessarily a great level, but that Mr. Phelps’ actions are moreso. In other words, it does imply that Mrs. Sheehan’s actions are greatly vile, but it does not imply that they are so greatly vile that to eclipse them would be difficult.
Moreso, it is important to note that the use of the word “even” is relative to the current context. In other words, we were alredy discussing a certain level of vileness to the extent that it had become the norm for our process of thought insofar as is concerned this “conversation.” The word even is used here to connote that the sense in which Mr. Phelps’ actions are vile is moreso than the level which is presupposed as the norm, that is the level of Mrs. Sheehan.
It’s like saying, “Sure we’re talking about this here but this is even worse.”
DCS:
“Like all humans, Mother Teresa was [a Sinner], but what Hitler did was even more [sinful]”
Omigosh, I just compared Mother Teresa with Hitler…
Yes, not all vile protesters are on the left. There are many more on the right if one has the open mindedness to observe. The lies told in the national elections by the right are proof of that. Also consider the Iraq war–the WMD, the aluminum tubes that were supposed to be for centrifuges to manufacture enriched uranium for atomic bombs, the mobile chemical labs that were to make deadly gases, etc., etc. etc. Both sides lie. If politicians didn’t lie they couldn’t survive in the toxic enviornment of Washington politics.
Bill, the only thing I am more sure of than the fact that the left is at least twice as dishonest as the right, as especially evidenced by the national elections, is that Christ is Lord.
This is a common error that Phelps is part of the right. He calls himself a Democrat and in fact has even demonstrated against President Bush. Their groups doesn’t even call themselves Christians, but Tachmonites instead.
http://relapsedcatholic.blogspot.com/2005/08/fred-phelps-is-not-christian-but-he-is.html
Truely detestable people and tactics. UGG. I dont even have words for how frustrated I get when people assume that because I’m catholic/christian that I advocate that/agree with those people.
To the matter of the tahmonites, they also in their pea-sized brains consider our country evil. Question I have is, if they so hate our country and America then why are they here? Why not pack up and go find some other place to infest. I think maybe the deep recesses of Antartica would be a wonderful spot for them to go. Considering in my opinion Hell is too good a place for this group of parasites.
Also as far as them desacrating the symbol of freedom (The American Flag), they have no right to justify that in the least. They enjoy freedom is that not so? Then if they so enjoy it then why take that very symbol of freedom and show no respect or feeling for it. Freedom has been fought for, and so many have lost their lives for it. So many have died for the meaning behind that precious flag and will continue to do so.
In retrospect of this I close this letter with one final thought, Americans should stand tall and proud, these self-righteous individuals are nothing more than terrorists and should be eradicated to say the least.
Fred Phelps could find himself in Hell for hating Gays. Or he could just disappear like Jerry Falwell did. The resaon I came to you site is I have an important message to tell you and everyone. The message is from God, Jesus and the Holy Ghost respectively sent in the Spring of 2006. It is about the meaning of First is Last and Last is First . The message is this:
In the morning I go to Heaven. In the afternoon I live my life. In the evening I die, death. What does this mean? In other words this means Birth is Last and Last is Birth. Think of this as a continuos circle of life. Birth, Life, Death, Birth. God also said that Judgment will be before Birth in Heaven. AS birth on Earth is painful so will birth in Heaven. Yes, God has recently made contact and he sent a messenger. OH, one more point of interest. Did you know that Mike Douglas died on his birthday? Mel Steffor
As our Lord said regarding such “prophecies” as the above: Do not listen to them.
To: Bill 912,
It is fair to say you have your doubts. I had doubts too, it is all very clear now. What I wrote above is not a false prophecy as you claim. I have proof that what I wrote, came straight from God. You can see the proof when I am gone. Everyone can see it.
Now God broke his silence because he wanted to clear up a few issues that have confused people over the past years. Like: Did Jesus really Acsend to Heaven? Do you have to believe in Jesus to go to Heaven? What about good people that don’t believe, do they go to Heaven? And more . . . . .
It is not fair to say that I have doubts; I have no doubts about Jesus. Jesus said not to listen to people like you, and that came straight from God, as He IS God.
To Bill 912,
Fears based on Superstitious beliefs. Example: If you believe in Jesus, you go to Heaven. Then there is the fear if you don’t believe in Jesus you could go to Hell. That is superstitious.
Does that seem reasonable that by making a mental note in your head whether you believe in Jesus or not would determine eternal life or forever damnation?
So Bill 912, Or should I say Bill 911 plus one. Or Bill, the day after 911. You don’t have to believe what I wrote will send you to Hell or not. It is OK to have doubts. A lot of what people believe in is based on Superstition or carryovers from Pagan beliefs. What is a pagan belief? Blood offerings, sacrifice, altars, worship, appease God or wrath will come to you. Goddess worship, example, Venus Victrix, Mary Victrix, or Mary the Goddess of Virginity. People actually pray to Mary, like she has some kind of power. The Roman Catholic Church is a mixture of Pagan Mythology and Christ. Combined and mixed. Don’t get me wrong God is very real. God does exist. A good example of how they are mixed is the use of a circle inside of the cross. The circle is from the pagan worship of the moon and the cross is an emblem of Christ. Shedding blood for the atonement of sins (Human Sacrifice). Then the Roman Catholic Church has mixed the two together. Wa La, a new and revised Pagan Religion.
And yes there is a God. God came to make some revisions.
Your anti-Catholic bigotry is coming through loud and clear.
But your reading comprehension is abysmal.
Bill,
I am not totally Anti-Catholic. I like the Pope very much. God loves the Pope too. God said that the Pope is going to Heaven. Did you know the The Popes birthday was on Easter Day in 2006. That does have meaning. Both good christians and good Athiests go to Heaven. It does not matter if what you believe to be true is wrong of right. There is always two sides to every question. Failing a bible quiz does not send you to Hell.
Then “Calling my reading comprehension abysmal?”
I know my spelling is bad, I am not the best writer. Then some people don’t make any sense in what they are writing. When I write I try to be a clear as possible with the least amount of words.
Hows you reading comprehension Bill? Is any of this getting through? Affectionally Mel
Correction: To the meaning of First is Last and Last is First. It means that Birth is Last and Birth is First. Sorry for the error. God talks in symbols and opposites at times, so it takes time to figure out what he is saying. Some of his messages are clearer than others, plus they have multiple meanings.
Okay, Mel… everything’s cool. Put down the keyboard and back away slowly.
No one is going to hurt you, we just want to help.
We just want to give you something to help you calm down and then we have a nice coat for you to wear… see?
If you talk to God, your religious.
If God talks to you, your psychotic.
Tim J,
I think you would agree with that?
Here is one small piece of proof.
Like I said earlier, the Holy Spirit talked to me, besides his message about First is Last and Last is First, he had something to say about “Who Killed JFK”. Christ tells me that the man who shot JFK is a policeman. He also tells me the name of the shooter, but it is in a jumbled word. The word is “Fritters” . I see the name F. Ritter right off so I think that is the name of the killer. Now God has lots of other messages for me to figure out, so I put “who Killed JFK” on the back burner for over a year. A year or more later , just recently, I have more time to look for F. Ritter. I can’t find a policeman with that name who lived in Dallas, Texas in 1963. So I am searching for information about who killed JFK and there is a picture of a policeman by the name of JD Tippit. Now Tippit kind of looks like Ritter . Now I un-jumble the letters of Ritter to TIRRET. Now TIRRET looks more like TIPPIT. Now I make the R’s stand at attention, I get TIPPET. One problem is that the I and the E are not the same. So I do some research on the family name TIPPIT. Turns out that in the late 1800’s JD Tippit’s grandfather changed their name from Tippett to Tippit. So the next step, I change the E to I. So Tippet is now Tippit. Now I have FS Tippit and JD Tippit. The first two initials are not the same. Next I go to Wikipedia there I find; “Some thought that J. D. stood for Jefferson Davis. However J D does not stand for anything. That means his name is just J D. So the initials F S, do not stand for anything. I just have two initials that do not stand for anything. Are you following me?
Next what does FRITTERS mean. If your following my thinking here, God is going to tell you what happened to JD Tippit after he was shot. Fritters are a dough that is deep fried. Bread also means body, like in the last super Christ takes the bread and says this is my body. Look in the dictionary, PIT means HELL. TIP means money paid, gratuity. There are other meanings to.
JD Tippits body (dough) is placed in the deep fryer (lake of fire). Now I think this clue (Fritters) was ingenius. After all God came up with it. I think he does have a sense of humor too. Kids now have a new game to play. They can play God. Pilsbury dough boy fry’s in the lake of fire. You get HELL! fry baby fry!
If you think this is just crazy. Remember I am just the messenger. Jesus is the one that had to talk about JFK. So he had a reason for doing that. Chirst is telling you who killed the president so that you will believe that his messages are from God. Remember only God knows who killed JFK. He told me and I am telling you. I had forgotten about the case years ago. This is a cold case now, it been 45 year since the shooting. Nov. 22 is the anniversary.
I also read the part about giving false prophesy. God says false prophets go to Hell or something like that. I only repeat what God told me. Now what I wrote above is from God. He told me who killed JFK in 2006. The above is not a lie or a joke and I am going to HEAVEN without fear.
Before I forget. Gods messeges usually have more than one meaning. F S could also stand for “Fence Shooter”.
Who are the co-conspirators? Turns out that there are two policemen named Tippit, and one other Tippett working in the Dallas police Department that same year(1963). Back to the clue word Fritters. That is plural, you know about plural. We have two fritters. The co-conspirators name is Gayle M. Tippit.
Now the Dallas Police Department obviously covered up and framed Oswald. He was the Patsy. They did it cause it is very possible that one of the other police officers rushing to the scene saw Tippet fleeing the scene carrying a rifle. They covered it up because of the embarrassment of one of their own was the man that killed JFK? And the Warren commission must have also figured that out so they stuck with the Dallas Dept. story saying that it was Oswald. Otherwise it could have been a National embarrassment. Now if you look at the evidence like I did. It is easy to see that the Dallas Police Dept tampered with the evidence over and over again. And they did a very bad job of it too.
Now this is my opinion, not Gods. I think God is behind the creation of the Internet. I could never have been able to figure out a lot of his messages without the use of the Internet. People on the Net have been a big help to me. God talks to other people too, they just don’t know it. God let me know it was him.
This is proof because it is impossible for any one to do what I did with the clue word FRITTERS. I made it look easy. I can do that over and over again in all of God’s messages. It is impossible for anyone to do what I do.
Gods messenger, Mel Steffor