What Can St. Catherine Teach Us About Purgatory?

by Jimmy Akin

in +Religion, Apologetics, Benedict XVI, Eschatology, Theology

As someone who came to the Catholic faith from Evangelicalism, one of the doctrines that I had to deal with was purgatory.

Upon starting work as an apologist, I had to dig even deeper into the subject, and I discovered that over the course of time it has been understood in different ways.

One of my early helps in understanding the doctrine was the thought of St. Catherine of Genoa, whose thought on the subject as presented in the Treatise on Purgatory and the Dialogues Between the Body and the Soul have proved increasingly influential over time. In particular, elements of it have played a role in the thought of Joseph Ratzinger (back before he was pope) and in the Catechism of the Catholic Church.

I was therefore delighted when I read Pope Benedict’s general audience on St. Catherine of Genoa, in which he touches on her contribution to this subject.

He begins by noting that, although she did have a profound mystical experience connected with her conversion, she did not have revelations about the souls in purgatory. He states:

It is important to note that Catherine, in her mystical experience, never received specific revelations on purgatory or on the souls being purified there. Yet, in the writings inspired by our Saint, purgatory is a central element and the description of it has characteristics that were original in her time [General Audience, Jan. 12, 2011].

One of the original things about St. Catherine’s thought on purgatory concerned the way it tended to be envisioned as a place:

The first original passage concerns the “place” of the purification of souls. In her day it was depicted mainly using images linked to space: a certain space was conceived of in which purgatory was supposed to be located.

Catherine, however, did not see purgatory as a scene in the bowels of the earth: for her it is not an exterior but rather an interior fire. This is purgatory: an inner fire.

She also understood the fire of purgatory differently than some other:

The Saint speaks of the Soul’s journey of purification on the way to full communion with God, starting from her own experience of profound sorrow for the sins committed, in comparison with God’s infinite love (cf. Vita Mirabile, 171v).

We heard of the moment of conversion when Catherine suddenly became aware of God’s goodness, of the infinite distance of her own life from this goodness and of a burning fire within her. And this is the fire that purifies, the interior fire of purgatory. Here too is an original feature in comparison with the thought of her time.


In fact, she does not start with the afterlife in order to recount the torments of purgatory — as was the custom in her time and perhaps still is today — and then to point out the way to purification or conversion. Rather our Saint begins with the inner experience of her own life on the way to Eternity.

“The soul”, Catherine says, “presents itself to God still bound to the desires and suffering that derive from sin and this makes it impossible for it to enjoy the beatific vision of God”. Catherine asserts that God is so pure and holy that a soul stained by sin cannot be in the presence of the divine majesty (cf. Vita Mirabile, 177r).

Pope Benedict then makes an observation that goes straight to the heart:

We too feel how distant we are, how full we are of so many things that we cannot see God. The soul is aware of the immense love and perfect justice of God and consequently suffers for having failed to respond in a correct and perfect way to this love; and love for God itself becomes a flame, love itself cleanses it from the residue of sin.

Pope Benedict has more to say about St. Catherine’s teaching on purgatory, and on her life in general, but I’ll let you read that for yourself.

In summary, he says:

With her life St Catherine teaches us that the more we love God and enter into intimacy with him in prayer the more he makes himself known to us, setting our hearts on fire with his love.

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Jerry Rhino June 29, 2012 at 3:27 pm

In chapter 2 Catherine speaks of the joys of purgatory.
What is the joy of the souls in Purgatory. A comparison to shew how they see God ever more and more. The difficulty of speaking of this state. I believe no happiness can be found worthy to be compared with that of a soul in Purgatory except that of the saints in Paradise; and day by day this happiness grows as God flows into these souls, more and more as the hindrance to His entrance is consumed. Sin’s rust is the hindrance, and the fire burns the rust away so that more and more the soul opens itself up to the divine inflowing. A thing which is covered cannot respond to the sun’s rays, not because of any defect in the sun, which is shining all the time, but because the cover is an obstacle; if the cover be burnt away, this thing is open to the sun; more and more as the cover is consumed does it respond to the rays of the sun

Vincentius July 2, 2012 at 12:36 am

What St. Catherine knew about Purgatory was when she wrote that at the moment of death a soul sees itself in its state of existence and without awaiting the particular judgment throws itself to the place it belongs — Hell or Purgatory (and for the very few who have led heroic lives, Heaven). 
I believe it was St. Margaret Mary who was given a “tour” of Purgatory and saw the real conditions there:  for a soul undergoing the most intense suffering, a “day” in Purgatory seems like a thousand years on earth. 
We can avoid Purgatory or lessen our “time” there by doing most of it here on earth.

noprem July 11, 2012 at 4:48 pm

“Treatise on Purgatory and the Dialogues Between the Body and the Soul” is in difficulties beginning with its title, if scripture has any value.
“And the Lord God formed man of the slime of the earth: and breathed into his face the breath of life, and man became a living soul.” Gen 2:7, Douay.
“Became a soul” is Moses’ view, and he said he got it from Jehovah. ‘Has a soul’ is Catherine’s and the Church’s view, and she got it from … where?
“For the living know that they shall die, but the dead know nothing more, neither have they a reward any more: for the memory of them is forgotten … Whatsoever your hand is able to do, do it earnestly: for neither work, nor reason, nor wisdom, nor knowledge shall be in hell, whither you are hastening.” That’s Solomon’s view, and he said he got it from Jehovah. ‘Dialogue in purgatory’ is Catherine’s and the Church’s view, and they got it from … where? Not from a Catholic Bible, even: the word’s not there. No “dialogues” in Hell, even, says Solomon.
“Behold all souls are mine: as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sins, the same shall die.” says Ezekiel, and he said he got it from Jehovah. ‘The soul is immortal’ says the Church, and it got it from … where? ‘From pagan Greek philosophers’ say the scholars, and certainly the idea was there for the taking, from at least Plato on down.
“His disciples therefore said: Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well. But Jesus spoke of his death: and they thought that he spoke of the repose of sleep. Then therefore Jesus said to them plainly: Lazarus is dead.” Death is likened to sleep, not any sort of consciousness, said … Jesus, who is the Church’s God! I love my sleep, but I doubt I could remain so if someone began to put me under ‘the tortures of Hell’. Such tortures are common among men, of course; perhaps such men have ‘created God in their image’.
Keeps the faithful in line, though, doesn’t it?

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