We all know about citing the Bible with chapter & verse–but where did the chapter and verse divisions come from in the first place and why are they there? Who added them, and when?
We all know about the ordinary form of Mass that arose after Vatican II and the extraordinary form that arose after the Council of Trent–but what was the Mass like before Trent? Why did they feel it needed to be changed? And why can’t we celebrate the Mass in its pre-Trent form today?
We all know that there were saints who were married, but none of them were famed for having holy, ordinary marriages. They all had unusual marriages, or they are saints because they had otherwise unusual lives. Why aren’t there any saints who are saints because of their ordinary, holy marriages? Does this say anything about the Church’s view of marriage?
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* (03:06) PAUL FROM MICHIGAN ASKS WHERE THE CHAPTER AND VERSE DIVISIONS IN THE BIBLE CAME FROM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chapters_and_verses_of_the_Bible
* (13:12) PAUL ALSO ASKS ABOUT WHAT THE MASS WAS LIKE BEFORE THE COUNCIL OF TRENT, WHY IT WAS CHANGED, AND WHY WE CAN’T CELEBRATE IT IN THE “PRE-TRIDENTINE” WAY ANY MORE?
http://history.hanover.edu/texts/trent/ct25.html
http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Pius05/p5quopri.htm
http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/pope0262r.htm
* (32:28) HANS FROM WASHINGTON ASKS WHY THERE ARE NO SAINTS WHO ARE KNOWN FOR THEIR REASONABLY HAPPY MIDDLE CLASS MARRIAGES.
https://www.jamesakin.com/reels_squares/2012/01/jimmy-on-catholic-answers-live-11212.html
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I had the same question about marriage and saints some time ago. Thanks a bunch, Hans and Jimmy!
I have two examples of people who where beatified because they had an ordinary holy happy middle-class marriage, period : Blessed Louis Martin and Blessed Marie-Azélie Guérin, the parents of saint Thérèse de Lisieux.
Of course, you could argue that they where beatified mainly because they where the parents of a saint and doctor of the Church. But still, they do not meet any of the criteria listed by your reader.
It could be Thibaud, that the Martins were explicitly mentioned in the original situation and that bit got snipped for length.
It could also be that the question flows from having no clear idea of what a proper married, christian life should look like. It could also be contain a hint of frustration that all of the great spiritual manuals seem to be devoted to the monastic life or similar.
It could also be that the writer learns to behave by example, and has no “model, this is how you do it” standard to judge himself by.
It might also be that the writer might respond to the question of “why this couple among all others”. It might be that the writer would respond- “because models are good”
Now, it might not be that the writter had these concerns, but then again, he might have.